What if there is no apocalypse? What if there is no End Time?
Each generation waits for the end and, interestingly enough, it never comes on a macro scale. Each generation reads the signs, preps for it, and passes to the grave without seeing its fulfillment.
It is possible that the end time mythos is archetypal as well and speaks more to the internal, spiritual/emotional/intellectual growth process as illustrated through personal paradigm shift rather than an actual description of global events.
How many of us here on this forum have experienced this kind of personal Armageddon?
How many of us have been born again from the ashes? Gone through a kind of ego death, rested for a season and been raised up as a “new man”? I think the End Time scenario fits well within my personal growth experiences.
I was raised under the looming threat of global thermo-nuclear annihilation. I was taught to prepare for the end each and every year of my young life. I was so indoctrinated in End Time theory that I fell into a mild depression, convinced that the Second Coming would occur before Lucas would be able to finish the Star Wars saga. Imagine my surprise, and absolute glee, as I sat and watched Episode VI in a modern, climate controlled, stadium style, Dolby surround sound theater.
I don’t plan on the end anymore. I just try and enjoy each day as it dawns.
Indecision Limbo
SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO
Oh yeeeeeaaaaah
Wooh!
Darling you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If you say that you are mine
I’ll be here ’til the end of time
So you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
Always tease tease tease
You’re happy when I’m on my knees
One day is fine, next day is black
So if you want me off your back
Well come on and let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
Should I stay or should I go now?
Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go there will be trouble
An’ if I stay it will be double
So come on and let me know!
This indecision’s bugging me
Esta indecision me molesta
If you don’t want me, set me free
Si no me quieres, librame
Exactly whom I’m supposed to be
Dime que tengo que ser
Don’t you know which clothes even fit me?
¿sabes que ropas me quedan?
Come on and let me know
Me tienes que decir
Should I cool it or should I blow?
¿me debo ir o quedarme?
Split!
Yo me enfrio o lo sufro
Should I stay or should I go now?
yo me enfrio o lo sufro
Should I stay or should I go now?
yo me enfrio o lo sufro
If I go there will be trouble
Si me voy - va a haber peligro
And if I stay it will be double
Si me quedo es doble
So you gotta let me know
Pero me tienes que decir
Should I cool it or should I go?
yo me enfrio o lo sufro
Should I stay or should I go now?
yo me enfrio o lo sufro
If I go there will be trouble
Si me voy - va a haber peligro
And if I stay it will be double
Si me quedo es doble
So you gotta let me know
Pero me tienes que decir
Should I stay or should I go?
The Clash
Oh yeeeeeaaaaah
Wooh!
Darling you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If you say that you are mine
I’ll be here ’til the end of time
So you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
Always tease tease tease
You’re happy when I’m on my knees
One day is fine, next day is black
So if you want me off your back
Well come on and let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
Should I stay or should I go now?
Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go there will be trouble
An’ if I stay it will be double
So come on and let me know!
This indecision’s bugging me
Esta indecision me molesta
If you don’t want me, set me free
Si no me quieres, librame
Exactly whom I’m supposed to be
Dime que tengo que ser
Don’t you know which clothes even fit me?
¿sabes que ropas me quedan?
Come on and let me know
Me tienes que decir
Should I cool it or should I blow?
¿me debo ir o quedarme?
Split!
Yo me enfrio o lo sufro
Should I stay or should I go now?
yo me enfrio o lo sufro
Should I stay or should I go now?
yo me enfrio o lo sufro
If I go there will be trouble
Si me voy - va a haber peligro
And if I stay it will be double
Si me quedo es doble
So you gotta let me know
Pero me tienes que decir
Should I cool it or should I go?
yo me enfrio o lo sufro
Should I stay or should I go now?
yo me enfrio o lo sufro
If I go there will be trouble
Si me voy - va a haber peligro
And if I stay it will be double
Si me quedo es doble
So you gotta let me know
Pero me tienes que decir
Should I stay or should I go?
The Clash
Conservative Moderation
As a fellow prick kicker, I have my beef with Mormon conceptual moderation and balance. How can you be balanced and moderate and practice any form of abstinence??? Isn’t that imbalanced and biased by very nature? Doesn’t “moderation in all things” presuppose a measured, controlled “indulgence in all things”? Otherwise, wouldn’t it say “moderation in all things within certain prescribed parameters that don’t include all things”…?
Praying for Mad Skills in Archetypal Recognition
On a metaphysical level, “cure” denotes an end to a condition. It can also equal “death” of the condition resulting from death of the host. In my Tarot tradition, both can be symbolized by the same card and careful, detailed questioning can divine which the case is.
The universe manifests archetypically through the vessel (us) and is expressed through the lexicon, the expressive toolbox, of the intermediary. If an individual is not aware of this process and is unschooled regarding the relative, concrete nature of the universal voice, some serious misunderstanding can occur… especially regarding temporal time and space. If a time frame of say, six months, is presented in a blessing, reading, divination (all the same BTW), inquiry into the relative location pertaining to the time frame must be conducted. ( IE what entity are you accessing and what does time mean on that particular sphere of existence.)
God’s time is not our time.
In the Mormon Cosmos, God resides on a planet with differing physics and vastly expanded rates of rotation that effect the concept of linear time. If that particular God is the source of the communication, then schedules are adjusted according to the timetable of the origin. Six months could be 9/100th of a second. If that’s the case, a couple of months, or even a few years variation on the Earth scale isn’t a bad forecast.
Blah, blah…all mystical stuff right? But, in the forth and fifth dimensional world of thought and belief, a mystical mindset is the prerequisite for manifestation in third dimensional space and time. First we imagine and visualize, then we create in the material world. It’s not magic, just a natural process of creation. All things are created spiritually before they can be created physically, from IPods to lasagna. All things are conceived in the mind before being created in the factory.
The key to accurate expression in divination/blessings/tarot etc is a basic understanding of universal archetypes. The Mormon tradition is very rich in archetypal references. All divinatory work and spell work (prayer) conducted within the LDS framework must be according to established archetypes if a concise translation of the cosmic message, voice of God, is to be transmitted through the receiver to the asker. Both must understand the nuances associated with the archetypes if an accurate reading is to be obtained.
All prayers are answered. Sometimes we don’t understand the archetypal references and we limit our own ability to recognize the fulfillment.
Once again, "healing" may be an archetypal metaphor denoting a state of change in a particular health related condition. It could denote cessation of the condition itself, even if it is caused by the death of the physical body. There is no paradox here. No crisis of faith. Especially with an eternal perspective. Death and healing can be the same thing. That's why it is sooo vital to actually have semantic knowledge and complete understanding of that particular archetypal lexicon formulated on our own, core belief systems.
Thoughts and feelings evoke words. Words transmit thoughts and feelings through the air, where they are translated back in to thoughts and feelings. There is a great deal of margin for error. Ultimately, we should each try and establish a direct, intimate link to our Creator as to minimize the mistranslation.
I am really not sure where gender fits into the picture, or why it would be a prerequisite for anyone becoming a vessel. I think a childlike spirit would be the desired condition…
The universe manifests archetypically through the vessel (us) and is expressed through the lexicon, the expressive toolbox, of the intermediary. If an individual is not aware of this process and is unschooled regarding the relative, concrete nature of the universal voice, some serious misunderstanding can occur… especially regarding temporal time and space. If a time frame of say, six months, is presented in a blessing, reading, divination (all the same BTW), inquiry into the relative location pertaining to the time frame must be conducted. ( IE what entity are you accessing and what does time mean on that particular sphere of existence.)
God’s time is not our time.
In the Mormon Cosmos, God resides on a planet with differing physics and vastly expanded rates of rotation that effect the concept of linear time. If that particular God is the source of the communication, then schedules are adjusted according to the timetable of the origin. Six months could be 9/100th of a second. If that’s the case, a couple of months, or even a few years variation on the Earth scale isn’t a bad forecast.
Blah, blah…all mystical stuff right? But, in the forth and fifth dimensional world of thought and belief, a mystical mindset is the prerequisite for manifestation in third dimensional space and time. First we imagine and visualize, then we create in the material world. It’s not magic, just a natural process of creation. All things are created spiritually before they can be created physically, from IPods to lasagna. All things are conceived in the mind before being created in the factory.
The key to accurate expression in divination/blessings/tarot etc is a basic understanding of universal archetypes. The Mormon tradition is very rich in archetypal references. All divinatory work and spell work (prayer) conducted within the LDS framework must be according to established archetypes if a concise translation of the cosmic message, voice of God, is to be transmitted through the receiver to the asker. Both must understand the nuances associated with the archetypes if an accurate reading is to be obtained.
All prayers are answered. Sometimes we don’t understand the archetypal references and we limit our own ability to recognize the fulfillment.
Once again, "healing" may be an archetypal metaphor denoting a state of change in a particular health related condition. It could denote cessation of the condition itself, even if it is caused by the death of the physical body. There is no paradox here. No crisis of faith. Especially with an eternal perspective. Death and healing can be the same thing. That's why it is sooo vital to actually have semantic knowledge and complete understanding of that particular archetypal lexicon formulated on our own, core belief systems.
Thoughts and feelings evoke words. Words transmit thoughts and feelings through the air, where they are translated back in to thoughts and feelings. There is a great deal of margin for error. Ultimately, we should each try and establish a direct, intimate link to our Creator as to minimize the mistranslation.
I am really not sure where gender fits into the picture, or why it would be a prerequisite for anyone becoming a vessel. I think a childlike spirit would be the desired condition…
Chaos as The Order of Equity
Chaos doesn’t equate to lack of order. It refers to a fractal universe where exact patterns emerge simultaneously at increasingly infinite and infinitesimal intervals along an infinite continuum. The phrase “As above, so below” and the concept of man being created in the “express image of God’ speaks to this concept. God is, essentially, part of a fractal paradigm that includes us, as perfect fractal copies.
Conceptually, fractals are essential in chaos theory.
I still maintain that the archetypal representation of God as presented in the LDS religion is a rudimentary discourse on the basic tenets of chaos theory and fractal universe theory. Might even touch a dab or two on the holographic universe…
Thy will be done', 'the glory be thine', 'that they may learn good from evil', etc... All are mantras of those espousing a strong internal locus of control. Each is an affirmation of the chaotic, fractal, natural evolving tendencies within the existent universe. An admission that personal choice, on a macro scale, will always lead to resonance with creation. A realization that kicking against the pricks will lead to the same conclusion… that human choice is an illusion on the cosmic level. An internal locus of control establishes knowledge that governs the individual BY the individual and does not require an external structure to enforce beliefs or behavior.
We cannot escape from, barter with, bribe, influence or otherwise change the God-fractal, regardless of our perceived ability to do so or our mistaken notions of autonomy or free will.
Any and all latitude within the fractal is within the predetermined matrix and parameters of the fractal itself, within the parameters of our creation. We cannot step beyond the boundaries that define us without passing through the chaotic void that separates us from higher and lower fractal states. If this ability exists, it exists within a paradigm that incorporates, anticipates and facilities such change. Not beyond it.
We really can’t escape the matrix.
Chaos Theory speaks to an underlying order that occurs naturally and unavoidably, a system that works randomly upon its own consummate parts, a system unaware of the individual choices or actions of those it is composed of. It moves eternally and ponderously in an almost binary fashion. It is alarmingly fair and alarmingly rational.
The War in Heaven mythos appears to show that The Christ archetype understood the fractal nature of God and Satan did not. Christ advocated allowing things to unfold naturally and acknowledged that God, as the archetypal medium, lent structure through chaos. Satan’s stance advocated an attempt to impose structure as a means of establishing patterns within the cosmic stream and wanted to create, fundamentally, a system based on his particular frequency modulation as opposed to that represented in the God-medium.
It could be argued that “cast down” refers to a frequency modulation toward the denser end of the spectrum, the physical end where, demonstrably, solids are formed and governed on the macro scale as opposed to the quantum scale. In a very real way, then, he is the God of this world, as it was created in his effective energy range. A physical, more tangible, sensate, darker, more congealed energy.
This could be a parabolic explanation of an elegant macro-micro theory of physics. Maybe the unifying theory of all matter?????
In other mystical traditions, the major players in the War in Heaven are represented anthropomorphically as well, as a way to embody the essential message without presupposing a possession of a thorough knowledge of quantum physics. Christ and Lucifer (incidentally the bearer of light…. Or son of the morning) represent the eternal dance of structure and chaos. God the Father represents the kinetic potential vibrating within the great void and the emanation of the primal spore, word or vibration…the impetus that impregnates the void with life frequency. Nothing mystical, just quantum physicas… God the Mother represents the spirit of God moving upon the water, or the nurturing of the orphic egg that ushers in creation. These archetypes are universal. Not exclusive to LDS theory at all. It’s a mistake to miss the forest for the trees, to mistake semantics for actual archetypal substance.
Maybe we are still looking at the eclipse and trembling in fear….
Conceptually, fractals are essential in chaos theory.
I still maintain that the archetypal representation of God as presented in the LDS religion is a rudimentary discourse on the basic tenets of chaos theory and fractal universe theory. Might even touch a dab or two on the holographic universe…
Thy will be done', 'the glory be thine', 'that they may learn good from evil', etc... All are mantras of those espousing a strong internal locus of control. Each is an affirmation of the chaotic, fractal, natural evolving tendencies within the existent universe. An admission that personal choice, on a macro scale, will always lead to resonance with creation. A realization that kicking against the pricks will lead to the same conclusion… that human choice is an illusion on the cosmic level. An internal locus of control establishes knowledge that governs the individual BY the individual and does not require an external structure to enforce beliefs or behavior.
We cannot escape from, barter with, bribe, influence or otherwise change the God-fractal, regardless of our perceived ability to do so or our mistaken notions of autonomy or free will.
Any and all latitude within the fractal is within the predetermined matrix and parameters of the fractal itself, within the parameters of our creation. We cannot step beyond the boundaries that define us without passing through the chaotic void that separates us from higher and lower fractal states. If this ability exists, it exists within a paradigm that incorporates, anticipates and facilities such change. Not beyond it.
We really can’t escape the matrix.
Chaos Theory speaks to an underlying order that occurs naturally and unavoidably, a system that works randomly upon its own consummate parts, a system unaware of the individual choices or actions of those it is composed of. It moves eternally and ponderously in an almost binary fashion. It is alarmingly fair and alarmingly rational.
The War in Heaven mythos appears to show that The Christ archetype understood the fractal nature of God and Satan did not. Christ advocated allowing things to unfold naturally and acknowledged that God, as the archetypal medium, lent structure through chaos. Satan’s stance advocated an attempt to impose structure as a means of establishing patterns within the cosmic stream and wanted to create, fundamentally, a system based on his particular frequency modulation as opposed to that represented in the God-medium.
It could be argued that “cast down” refers to a frequency modulation toward the denser end of the spectrum, the physical end where, demonstrably, solids are formed and governed on the macro scale as opposed to the quantum scale. In a very real way, then, he is the God of this world, as it was created in his effective energy range. A physical, more tangible, sensate, darker, more congealed energy.
This could be a parabolic explanation of an elegant macro-micro theory of physics. Maybe the unifying theory of all matter?????
In other mystical traditions, the major players in the War in Heaven are represented anthropomorphically as well, as a way to embody the essential message without presupposing a possession of a thorough knowledge of quantum physics. Christ and Lucifer (incidentally the bearer of light…. Or son of the morning) represent the eternal dance of structure and chaos. God the Father represents the kinetic potential vibrating within the great void and the emanation of the primal spore, word or vibration…the impetus that impregnates the void with life frequency. Nothing mystical, just quantum physicas… God the Mother represents the spirit of God moving upon the water, or the nurturing of the orphic egg that ushers in creation. These archetypes are universal. Not exclusive to LDS theory at all. It’s a mistake to miss the forest for the trees, to mistake semantics for actual archetypal substance.
Maybe we are still looking at the eclipse and trembling in fear….
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